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This MSI monitor is first one I've ever bought that has High Dynamic Range. MSI seems to call it "HDCR". Would you like to buy a vowel? You might as well lol

I don't like that at all, it doesn't make my colours more vibrant, what it does is takes away my ability to make my blacks black and my colours vibrant. The first thing it does is completely takes away my Brightness control. I knew that, but I cranked my contrast up and wondered why I just couldn't get my display to look quite like I wanted it to. It was because of that stuffing things up. One of the games I tested this afternoon, I actually turned that on now that I had it and the game actually looked more washed out than I was used to, especially with fog/particle effects. I turned off the HDR in the game and it was better. Still, my display wasn't set up the way I liked it, so meh.

Another one in there that disables my control is something THEY call "mprt" (motion picture response time) in the menu, but it's a setting that cuts backlight LEDs to shorten pixel persistence time. On or Off.

Here it is in plain English. Snide, but this is a major brand. If they are going to put such rubbish on their website, I'm going to mock it :evil:

https://www.msi.com/support/technical_d ... ding_Speed
Definition of MPRT
MPRT or Moving Picture Response Time, is a technology to reduce motion blur. Monitor with MPRT disabled the backlight during picture changes and enable backlight again after the picture had changed. This reduces the time of a frame showing on the monitor, therefore reducing “ghosting” and “blurring” effect, picturing visually smoother image while playing games. In short, MPRT is a solution to reduce “ghosting” effect effectively during gaming.
That's not actually the definition of MPRT. It's not a technology, it's a measure, in milliseconds. They are even expanding the acronym!

Anyway, it's another thing that greys out controls for me and doesn't let me get my display quite how I like it. That setting wasn't enabled by default, I just enabled it to test it, and it was a convenient way to toggle off HDCR. It actually made my screen a bit dimmer... I'd have used a bit more brightness if it didn't disable it, thanks. It also actually lowers response time of the pixels but compensates for it differently (and takes away the normal, fast, very fast response time settings from the menu lol)

Maybe these things are good, but I need to be able to fix my display up the way I like it. My blacks are as black as I've ever seen on an LCD, and the actual response time of the pixels on this display is what eliminates ghosting, so pffft!

(that "mprt" setting really shouldn't be enabled on this display and it wasn't... to be fair. It's more just one of the capabilities of the panel type, and the same controller chipset common between models etc.)
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I'm glad I decided on the MSI monitor, you are probable saving me from a lot of buggering around.
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That "mprt" setting may actually be something that would help you on yours, as you do have a longer actual pixel response time (4 ms GTG). If you encounter ghosting or blurring, I mean during video or flight sim. But it will take away at least your Brightness control. Assuming you have that setting. Probably, as you do have Adaptive Sync so it's likely the same chips etc.

I think you'll be happy with your display, so far so very good here... keep one corner of your eye peeled for your buddy Rajit :-)
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I will.. :D I'm looking forward to setting it up.
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Thursday, 6 June
6:19 AM
Package left the carrier facility.
ETOBICOKE, ON CA
Left your backyard earlier.. :thumbup:
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That's probably the depot mine came from. That's where I lived actually, back when you first met me at pcnineoneone, Etobicoke (part of Toronto now but these all used to be towns). That does sound like a tomorrow though, unfortunately. Left TO this morning.

I actually chose a model based on shipping. The first one I was going to get had a shipping date of June 12 to 14 so I canceled that thought and picked another (evidently in a warehouse closer to me). I didn't even look at the tracking this time, as the emails were all on schedule.
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When I first glanced at that, having never heard of Etobicoke, I saw the ca and for a second thought California.
Quickly realised it was Ontario.
Ya, hoping if will make it here for tomorrow.

Shit!! just noticed that they've dropped the price by $29.
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B0CC6LFK9L?psc ... ct_details
I suppose I could cancel and re-order it, but no thanks, not at this late stage. I'll have to absorb the difference. :x
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That's likely because "only one left in stock". That closes the books on that particular inventory purchase.

They do indeed like to play games, though. My Corsair 1000W side connecting PSU was $239 CAD (and not a discounted sale price), and I clicked my own link the next day after ordering, and the price was up near $280. 50 fucking bucks.
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just checked the tracking at Canpar and it is coming by truck, so probably not til Monday or Tuesday now.
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Aww, that bites the weenie. That's a long way to ship something. Good thing you're not paying for the shipping with Amazon.

I guess Canpar won't come on a weekend. The contracted courier that Amazon uses ("Intelcom") to bring stuff to me comes Saturdays and Sundays.
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I don't get many packages shipped via FedEx these days but I always used to hate it when FedEx would frequently hold a package in their local warehouse for a day or two (during the week) just because it arrived in town early but they didn't want to deliver it earlier than their original estimated delivery date. The status would say something like "not due for delivery".
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Grogan wrote: Sat Jun 08, 2024 6:34 am Aww, that bites the weenie. That's a long way to ship something. Good thing you're not paying for the shipping with Amazon.

I guess Canpar won't come on a weekend. The contracted courier that Amazon uses ("Intelcom") to bring stuff to me comes Saturdays and Sundays.
Amazon comes 7days a week here 0400 to 2200. Occasionally I get something delivered by Intelcom, and it's almost always a bad job. They are supposed to bring it up and leave it at the door (it's an apartment) but they always just leave it down in the mail-room without even buzzing or calling to let you know it's there. On one or two occasions, they didn't even do that. I've had them just leave it outside the building near the front door if nobody lets them in and take a picture of the building. :lol: then bugger off. Everyone I know here has complained about them.

rarely get anything via fedex, but haven't had any problems with them.
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We're in a house so there's no problem with addressing, but no, they don't ring the doorbell or anything, they just leave it on the doorstep. I've never had delivery service as fast and good as these Intelcom vans though. Better than Purolator even. But then, there's nothing here that makes them think.
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Here it's Amazon branded delivery vans (those big Sprinter type vans), and the carrier will be listed as just "Amazon" or sometimes "Amazon Logistics".
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Zema Bus wrote: Sun Jun 09, 2024 4:35 am Here it's Amazon branded delivery vans (those big Sprinter type vans), and the carrier will be listed as just "Amazon" or sometimes "Amazon Logistics".
It's the same exactly here Zema, except once in a while you will get Intelcom for some unknown reason (maybe Amazon is too busy) The intelcom deliveries can be anything from a small van to a Tesla.
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The MSI finally got here earlier tonight..will get set up tomorrow.
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I was wondering if you got your gogglebox yet. I hope it's good, after all this wait.
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Well very happy so far.
thanks for all the tips.
I left HDCR off.
Out of the box way too bright and a bit too blue, blacks pretty good.
I got out of eco mode and set sRGB which is what I need to get the best match for printing. It's always a problem to get the printer driver/software to print as close as possible to what one sees on the monitor. (usually the print with be too dark or too blue) I haven't tested any of that stuff yet, that's a whole other never ending rat hole. ;) just did what I could with the monitor settings.
This monitor has really nice setup system (real buttons that work properly)
Haven't tried the flight sim, but videos look good to me.
It's a nice little monitor, looks good, low key.
The speakers actually work well as far as sound quality goes, but low volume. I won't use them for now.

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Yeah, that's what sRGB is all about, matching colours and lighting so things "look the way they are intended to". I used to use that for games on my old system (old Viewsonic LCD). I switched back and forth between my sRGB colour mode and my custom "cool" mode for desktop use. I find these displays have too much red spectrum these days. Typical though, what I like, other people hate. (to me I WANT more blueish spectrum and they want "anti-blueing" technology lol)

What I've got now though is perfect for everything, for me. Manual ("User") control for everything. Adaptive Sync off, HDCR off, MPRT off (and "very fast" for response time which would be 1 ms GTG on my display) and Anti-Blueing off.

Contrast 85%, Brightness 25%

Colour Temperature:

Red: 42
Green: 50 (untouched)
Blue: 55

And that, makes everything look the way I want and expect it to, all across the board under my viewing conditions. Best I've ever had on any display. (I'd sure love to get a nice OLED one though, but fuck those dollars)

P.S. My fonts look a bit gooder on this display than my previous Sceptre model too. I can't really show you a difference (e.g. old screenshot taken vs. one on new display) as we would only see them on our monitors and they would look the same.
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I have it where I want it as far as colour printing goes with the new monitor. Still working on Black and white (more complicated) This monitor works really well with my printer.
here's a screenshot of a photo I took of my grand daughter in the printing software, and a photo of the resulting print I took with my phone. Colour matching is very good. Printer set to no icc profile, no color correction, just driver matching.
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Well, it looks good, other than size both images look pretty similar. That's on my monitor though, it may look a bit different to you. For that matter, we know what a colour is, but do we all perceive them the same in our mind's eye? :-)

Kids these days... they like that sushi shit :insert barfing smiley that I don't have yet:

Beautiful grand daughter, I hope you get to visit often.
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