Somebody rigged Hezbollah's pagers to explode

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Somebody rigged Hezbollah's pagers to explode

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8 dead, 2,700 injured after simultaneous pager explosions in Lebanon
https://arstechnica.com/security/2024/0 ... n-lebanon/
A massive wave of pager explosions across Lebanon and Syria around 3:30 pm local time today has killed at least eight people and injured more than 2,700, according to local officials. Many of the injured appear to be Hezbollah members, although a young girl is said to be among the dead.
The obvious choice of possible perpetrators is Israel... they do things like that. This will have been done at the factory, it's not just "malware". You could not get thousands of batteries to explode on cue like that. This was likely a nation state with the resources to do that.

They released Stuxnet on the world just to sabotage Iran's Uranium centrifuges... this is their irresponsible MO.

This isn't so funny, because there were innocent people killed and injured in this too (including a young girl).
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They become terrorists themselves by doing it this way, vs surgical strikes.
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On the other hand it's hard to believe they would do something so stupid (mostly ineffective towards such a goal, it caused a lot of injuries which will only serve to inflame the group, not stop them) and indiscriminate. Maybe it's not Israel but people like minded at the factory. I really shouldn't accuse. It seems likely there would be some high level involvement though... how would you conceal this sabotage from everyone? (It seems it was more than just a lithium battery explosion triggered by malicious firmware)
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I've since removed my doubt. This comes on the cusp of Nuttenyahoo expanding focus to Lebanon rather than just Hamas.

Moreover, thinking more about it, the goal wouldn't have to be to destroy Hezbollah so much as to cut off their primary communication method (in the field) and demoralize.
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They pretty much do what they want. Basically the whole world hates them and they know it.
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I think Israel needs a big change in government. Perhaps western nations should refuse to deal with the Netanyahu government. Something would get done about it then.

By all means, go after terrorists but you have to use intelligence when they are dug in, not indiscriminate explosives etc.

I don't want to hate Israel.
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I listened to an analysis by an army reservist (Brian Suits) who does a radio show in Washington State, and he feels it was done by Israel as a prelude to a ground invasion, while the Hezbollah leadership is in disarray.
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Yes, it'll be something like that. It's abhorrent though, how indiscriminate those assholes are with life and limb.

Pagers are still used in some less developed places, they are cheaper than cell phones, have much more range etc. I wonder how many of those people were actually "Hezbollah". I wonder how many of those pagers detonated in hospitals (they are still used there because they don't want microwave signals disrupting medical equipment)
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They followed up with walkie-talkie's blowing up, some of them in funerals for those killed by exploding pagers the previous day.
BEIRUT (AP) — Walkie-talkies exploded in Beirut and other parts of Lebanon on Wednesday in a second wave of attacks targeting devices a day after pagers used by Hezbollah blew up, state media and officials for the militant group said. At least 20 people were killed and more than 450 wounded in the second wave, the Health Ministry said.

The attacks — which were widely believed to be carried out by Israel targeting Hezbollah but have also killed civilians — have hiked fears that the two sides’ simmering conflict could escalate into all-out war.

Speaking to Israeli troops on Wednesday, Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant said, “We are at the start of a new phase in the war — it requires courage, determination and perseverance.” He made no mention of the exploding devices but praised the work of Israel’s army and security agencies, saying “the results are very impressive.”

In Wednesday’s attacks, several blasts were heard at a funeral in Beirut for three Hezbollah members and a child killed by exploding pagers the day before, according to Associated Press journalists at the scene. An AP photographer in the southern coastal city of Sidon saw a car and a mobile phone shop damaged after devices exploded inside of them. The state news agency reported home solar energy system blowing up in several locations, but experts cast doubt on whether those incidents were connected, saying they may have been coincidental accidents. The new blasts hit a country still roiling with confusion and anger after Tuesday’s pager bombings, which killed at least 12 people, including two children, and wounded some 2,800 others.

The second wave also deepens concern over the potentially indiscriminate casualties caused in the attacks, in which hundreds of blasts went off wherever the holder of the pager happened to be — in homes, cars, at grocery stores and in cafes, often with family or bystanders nearby.

While the pagers were used by Hezbollah members, there was no guarantee who was holding the device at the time it was detonated. Also, many of the casualties were not Hezbollah fighters, but members of the group’s extensive civilian operations mainly serving Lebanon’s Shiite community.

At least two health workers were among those killed Tuesday. Doctors, nurses, paramedics, charity workers, teachers and office administrators work for Hezbollah-linked organizations, and an unknown number had pagers.
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Dirty fucking dogs... Israel is out of control. I'd like to see them eliminate terrorists (as I say, it takes intelligence, not shock and awe for such foes), but this indiscriminate horseshit is dishonourable to put it mildly.

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Now Israel has raided and shut down Al Jazeera... so there won't be anyone to call out their atrocities.
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There's a maintainer of an Arch-based distro who lives in Lebanon, I often seen him in Linux podcasts. Now because of what's going on there he's trying to raise money to get out. Hope that works out for him.
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I hope he does, that's not going to be a nice place to be. Who knows what they are going to sabotage next, too.
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