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You really have to pay attention to what you're ordering these days.

This is the more expensive unit, the G2712, with seemingly poorer stats

https://www.msi.com/Monitor/G2712/Specification

This is the one I ordered (luckily, I didn't know the difference), the G2712F, with seemingly better stats, and it's less expensive. The point being that it IS the better one for my usage.

https://www.msi.com/Monitor/G2712F/Specification

Firstly, compare panel type. The more expensive one is just "IPS" type and only supports modes up to 170Hz vertical. The lesser costing one that I bought, is "Ultra Rapid IPS" with modes that support up to 180 Hz vertical. Both advertise 1 ms response times.

The active display area between the two models is a difference of less than 1 square mm. Not significant (the more expensive one is 597.888(H)x336.312(V) vs. 596.736(H) x 335.664(V) )

The more expensive model has a slightly larger pixel pitch, 0.3114(H)x0.3114(V) vs. mine at 0.3108(H)x0.3108(V) in mm. The way I understand that, for sitting close to a display as I am, smaller is better. I'm also not sure if those differences are significant, but it could actually be why I don't like my fonts with this current monitor (I'm used to it now though and it doesn't matter. What does is image/video and gaming display.

OK... now THIS is what I believe is the more expensive feature:

The more expensive unit actually displays more of the RGB colour space and has a higher contrast ratio.

MSI G2712 - 85.67% / 81.1% / 101.91%

MSI G2712F - 80% / 76% / 96%

Note that this is an "Adobe Colour Space" standard. That 101.9 % means it exceeds their compliance, not that it's inventing new colours (lol... I had to think about that one for a sec)

An LCD doesn't REALLY display 16.7 million colours, it emulates it. Aging eyes care more about the other features of an LCD vs. old CRT displays, but a high quality CRT (more than we'd have wanted to spend) was better than any of this crap in more ways.

Good info. Interesting, I've been thinking about a new monitor for months now. Those are nice, but for my general/non gaming use I would probable end up going with something like a samsung or LG 1080P for little more than half the money.

I've seen seemingly illogical pricing on Amazon where a higher end item will be cheaper in price than the lower end version, in that case maybe because of their pricing algorithms responding to the less expensive item being in higher demand.

Yes, that too (e.g. my Corsair PSU went up $50 CAD the day after I bought it), but in this case I think it's a higher quality LCD screen part that they used (these companies don't actually make those). That colour space rating is the clue.

They overclock components on gaming monitors too. That could be the underlying problem with this one (besides poor construction internally as evidenced by a little slap) with the inverter/regulator/whatever failing over time.

Looseness of components can't be out of the box, otherwise it would never survive shipping. Rough handling may contribute to early failure after things expand and contract a few thousand times from heating and cooling etc. though.

I'm probable going to buy this one. The reviews are very good, and it has the best tilt mechanism (which I really need) that I've found so far
It has speakers built in which I probable won't ever use, but it they are half decent, I can use them and put my speakers to use somewhere else.
My old Samsung is still OK, but it's at least 8 years old and doesn't even have an HDMI port.. Might as well do it now.
https://www.amazon.ca/MSI-Non-Glare-Sup ... 005&sr=8-8

https://www.msi.com/Business-Productivi ... cification

SRGB: 119% (CIE 1976)

vs. 101.91% (that's the last stat in my colour rating triplet, the SRGB compliance)

Yours also has a higher contrast ratio than mine, 1100:1 which mostly means your blacks are going to look better but generally is related to more colour space.

Same pixel pitch as the more expensive of the two that I compared.

The only thing that doesn't have is high refresh rate and response time. (100 Hz and 1 ms for "moving picture" and 4 ms from grey to grey) but 100 Hz is pretty good.

It's just a 24 inch vs. the 27 inch, but it's a higher quality display.

Most do have built in speakers these days, they are meant to be ignored

Hah! Want to see a gaming monitor?

49" Odyssey OLED G9 Gaming Monitor G95SC
https://www.samsung.com/ca/monitors/gam ... g954snxza/

Only $1398 CAD at Amazon (on sale, it's normally about $1700)

5120 x 1440 resolution

Contrast Ratio 1,000,000:1
(you might even be able to see vantablack on that one lol)

0.03ms RESPONSE TIME & 240Hz REFRESH RATE
(and that's grey to grey response time!)

OLED, too bad that technology is too expensive for PC displays.

P.S. While the properties are amazing, I can't see that being too useful. That's an extremely odd aspect ratio, it would be quite vertically challenged. What games are formatted for that?

It would probably be great for a flight sim though

I think what you bought should be quite good for your purposes. It should look nice. It'll be more compliant than your old one with colour spaces I'd think.

I just got mine. I haven't got it hooked up yet, just assembled and I'm scoping everything out. I'm going to test it on the bench before disturbing anything here (at least have it turn on and display MSI logo) and I was looking for the panel controls. I saw a reddish orange button at the back, I thought "hey, that's great, it's a reset button". No, it's a joystick for the OSD

Boyoboy, I'm glad there's a really good stick navigation control for the monitor settings because there's a shit tonne of them in there. I've got it set up in "Game Mode" with the best pixel response time (haven't tried any games or anything yet) with HDCR (high dynamic range... I guess some use the C in dynamic lol) and I took it out of that stupid "Eco" mode and went to manual settings. I wasn't happy with any of the colour temperature settings so I went to manual for that too and reduced the red by 10 and upped the blue by 10. I prefer my displays very slightly on the blue end of the spectrum, where this display boasts "anti-bluing technology" (which I also have turned off) lol

I also disabled Adaptive Sync... I don't want that at all. I intend to run my display at 180 Hz and have Vsync and framerate limiting off.

The default mode is again, 60 Hz though. I have to up it with RandR settings (xrandr command line utility, or XFCE display settings when using it)

That's good news about the settings. Monitor settings on the old Samsung are really annoying and hard to fine tune anything.

I ordered yesterday, and they said arriving between 7th and 10th. But I see it has been picked up by the carrier today (they don't say where) so probably tomorrow or Friday.
Ya, everybody's gone eco save the planet crazy.

Oh hey man, I might save you some aggravation by telling you that MSI hid the little mounting bolts to affix the base to the back of the panel in the same bag that the "Quick Start Guide" was in. (Who reads that? lol)

I thought they were missing and was just going to get a tin of assorted screws to see if I could find some with the right threads, when I found them lol

Good eye..
It's quite likely I would have thrown that bag away..